Armor-Tuff Finish applied over Mil-Spec Hard Anodized Upper/Lower Receivers (Green/Black Standard Forest Camo Optional) Being an avid hunter, my primary interest was terminal performance, and the .300 Whisper just didnt get the job done for me. this makes no sense. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Maybe they can sell them to all the well to do liberals leaving California, tired of writing this!!! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its simple. If Im not mistaken you still have the full magazine capacity with the 300 HAMR, i.e. Then, why not just stick with the 30-30? 130gr Speer HP #2005 (inexpensive and super accurate) But I read somewhere else a feller had luck with it. Our black multi-caliber AR magazine has a unique tube design that ensures superb function between 5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition. WARNING: Due to barrel bore dimension variations and powder lot differences WILSON COMBAT strongly recommends the use of a chronograph to work up loads in excess of the starting loads. http://cpw.state.co.us/learn/pages/ehu-ch2-l09.aspx. Hornadys 10th Edition loading manual has no data that can achieve within 100fps of that load, even with a 24 barrel. Bill has also had great field results with the Speer 130- and 150-grain Hot-Cors. I think a 6.5mm based on the .458 SOCOM case, capable of using the heaviest bullets without seating them past the neck would be interesting. The Ham'r doesn't seem capable of doing so in that barrel length. Thanks for drawing my attention to the 130s. The 300 Ham'R is designed to be supersonic. At first I was somewhat doubtful the Nosler 125-grain AccuBond would leave enough room for the powder charge because its a relatively long plastic-tipped boat-tail, but it worked fine. 2280FPS Short course: in its performance, 300 HAM'R is a significantly ramped-up .300 Blackout. Wilson sent the AR with optics sighted in. The SCAR17 in 308 is even more money, and weighs 2 pounds more. Wilson also recognized the rise of the AR-15 and entered that market. I started out thinking this gun was pointless and dumb, and ended up wanting one. Also, some shooters learned the hard way that certain .300 Blackout loads could chamber and fire in a .223 Remington/5.56 NATO rifle with disastrous results. Seems interesting for sure and Ive been bored with 300 BO for a while. The recommendation for a broadside shot is 1,200ft/lbs delivered, which limits you to close range only. Pick one and enjoy. Velocity range 2190 2250FPS, Speer 150gr FNHC #2011, 2.145 OAL However it does this with m. Following as well. If you have several thousand acres, as the ranch we were hunting did, the pigs are getting through somewhere. I agree. Looking further, the 300 Mag has a higher recoil than the 308, as the force generated by the 300 beats that the 300 Win Mag on an average by about 6 ft.lbs. The result is a 350 Legend that neither shoots flat, nor does it kill like a 30-30, or 357 Magnum using flat nose soft points, or a 44 Magnum using flat nose soft points. Thats because Wilson Combat recommends bullets weights from 110gr to 150grs for the 300 Hamr, so subsonic isnt recommended at all. the round has been standardized and Starline makes the casing for it so you can max the loads listed by WC . of energy advantage over the .300 BLK at the muzzle. You must log in or register to reply here. If you ever wanted to own Bill Wilson's the Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat, that is favorite hunting cartridge . The cartridge is still moderately popular but for the most part, the newness has worn off. The two powders that really worked well turned out to be Hodgdon CFE BLK (designed for the .300 Blackout) and Accurate 1680, with CFE BLK slightly edging out A-1680 in most loads. Comparing loads with 125-grain bullets, the HAM'R is 331 fps faster than the .300 Blackout and 131 fps faster than the 7.6239 out of rifles with barrels of equal length. Our desert tan multi-caliber AR magazine has a unique tube design that ensures superb function between 5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition. 314 (June 2018) on the excellent results achieved with Lehighs 18-grain Controlled Chaos bullet in a .17 Hornet, and this bullet proved to be equally impressive, grouping into less than an inch at just about 2,500 fps. Picking and choosing, but since hunting was mentioned. Instead it uses a case .044-inch larger in diameter, reducing AR-15 magazine capacity about 17 percent. Full Member. Sierra PH round with a velocity of 2540 fps (18" barrel). Its accurate , the 7.6239 well it goes bang . And both in Wilson Combat guns. The 300 HAM'R is capable of duplicating the proven ballistics of the legendary .30-30 Winchester from a comparable barrel length. Just get it to market,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Your email address will not be published. But at this time its still a reloaders cartridge. However, that caliber has its share of issues, such as a proprietary upper receiver, bolt carrier group and magazine. Surely we will get some other manufactures making .300 Hamr uppers and there will be some budget options available. Looking forward to get testing! #A300HMR-130-HC, 150gr Hornady SST The 300 Hamr rounds were moving an average of 248fps faster. Or, am I missing something? Thus, the cartridge was hatched to compete with the 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.6239 and .300 Blackout, with an eye toward killing wild pigs, thus the nod to ham in the name. This is the stripped-down, lightweight hunting rig that Bill keeps strapped to his Kawasaki Mule or in his vehicle when hes around the ranch for hog eradication. Shoot the animal 500 yards away from the back porch. Ammunition Available from the Wilson Combat Website, 110gr Sierra HP-V They dont have countless rails/slots/holes for water and mud to get into, or to have to worry about cleaning out later. I never saw one cleaned or lubed in any way, and we stayed there on the property. #A300HMR-150-SST, 150gr Speer FN HC . I dig the 6.5Grendel as well and hunted with it last year. If you can make an AK or an AR match the round-for-round capability of the Winchester 1894 in .30-30, youve got millions of game animals harvested to attest to the power of the cartridges design. Wilson was also familiar with the 7.6240, originally the brainchild of Kurt Buchert. I should first acknowledge my mentors and colleagues from Hacettepe University, where I was working at the time of the initial research: Bahaeddin They gave me great support throughout the research and contributed in different ways to the first draft of the text; I am most . I shot several pigs during three days and one night, when we ventured forth with Bills night-vision binoculars and one of his suppressor-equipped 6.8 SPCs with a night-vision scope. If we use the Colorado Parks and Wildlife guide for midrange elk calibers, we see they recommend at least 2,000ft/lbs delivered for a quartering toward shot. I was looking for an AR15 round that would hit harder than the .556 and shoot flat and accurate. CCI450 Max load: 27.5gr A1680 or 28.0gr H CFEBLK Its published data. Normally carry a .308 for elk. At 200 yards, the .300 HAM'R hits with 40 percent more energy than the .300 Blackout, which has about twice the bullet drop at 200 and 300 yards than the .300 HAM'R. More power than Blackout, no matter what, and also no matter what its used for. Wilson Combat Lightweight Scope Rings We reserve the right to edit as appropriate, delete profane, harassing, abusive and spam comments or posts, and block repeat offenders. Given how thick the brush was, and the fact that night was coming on, even if the pig only ran 30 yards, hed be hard to find and really hard to recover. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. He was already well into his search for the perfect AR-15 pig cartridge and at the time was concentrating on the 6.8 SPC. Nuff said. Bill also sent along some new Lehigh Defense 110-grain Controlled Chaos monolithic hollowpoints designed specifically for the .300 HAMR. You can hunt moose with a Glock 19 if you like. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. It is light and extremely well balanced. After waiting quite some time for all the parts to come in (barrel came in quick BTW), I finally got my 300 HAMR built using the Wilson Ranch 18 Barrel with Intermediate (13.25) length gas tube. I take it youve never detail stripped a Winchester 94 then. Wilson never said it matched 308win, they said its "nearing" 308win velocities and beating 300blk and 7.62x39 easily.. From Wilsons numbers it appears they are spot on with their claims. I am looking forward to getting farther into this cartridge as soon as I can. Veteran, army medic, proud Texas son. Wilson Combat/BCM Starburst Gunfighter Grip, Black round this is a great combination . so you chronographed a match grade round in.300 blackout against a max effort round of .300 hamr of course the .300 blackout is going to be slower most but not all know match grade rounds are NOT loaded to max velocity because max velocity is usually NOT as accurate. Mr. Clark, the AR pattern rifle is one of the most common hunting rifles in America. Theres nothing that hasnt been taken with an AR, and that includes the African dangerous game as well. (In this instance, fool is a compliment, not an insult. Instead of loading the cartridge with flat nose bullets, like the 357 Magnum uses to great terminal effect, they seem rabidly adamant on using sharp spitzers, probably to feed in AR15s, as well as placate morons who think that BC in such cartridges is super important. Stuffing typical spitzers into a 300 HAMR will heavily limit the terminal effect and make it far less than the 30-30. So he chambered an AR15 in the 30 Apache (from the 1970s) and rebranded it as the hammer; Right? I need to figure out how to become a hammock sniper. So what was the verdict on this??? What about reliable? It turned out he had actually considered naming the new round the .30-30 AR, but as a good friend pointed out, Only us old guys know and care much about the old thutty-thutty! (Apparently I qualify as one of those old guys.) We shot the 300 HAM'R 125 GR. I don't know for sure but it also seems to retain 5.56 mag capacity. *Weights shown are close approximations. 300 hamr check. Per second is their. 's blog. Im sorry Tom but Ive tried to post a link directly to it a couple times now without success. While all this was going on, Bill Wilson, the founder of Wilson Combat, was establishing a ranch near Cuthand, TX, and it was plumb overrun with feral hogs. Caliber changes are as simple as the push and pull of 2 pins. Article mentioned east Texas as the location. His son Ryan suggested reusing HAMR, a perfect double entendre for a pig-hunting round. I know nothing of either. Wilson based 300 HAMR on Kurt Bucherts proven-good-but-obscure 7.62x40mm Wilson Tactical (WT) thats been available from Wilson Combat for years. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. A piezoelectric pressure laboratory did a bunch of testing with various powders, eventually settling on 58,000 psi as maximum, about halfway between the .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. This is not a heavyweight rifle. Also, shortly after Remington brought this cartridge to market, it quit supporting it. Wilson himself says, The project originally started way back in 2005, when J.D. Just sayin, cool technology. I love the round. This is a great bullet in the .308 Winchester, with full-power loads duplicating 130-grain .270 Winchester muzzle velocities, trajectory and wind-drift out to 400 yards, yet it also works well with somewhat re-duced loads for recoil-sensitive hunters. You are using an out of date browser. And the Marlin really is a simple gun to take down. All of them are worthy of shooting. Put coffee down. The new cartridge was then field-tested on more than 200 pigs, and it worked better on larger boars than the 6.8 SPC. My local range got dealership status with Wilson Combat pistols, you can even rent them at the range. Hes certainly not the first personto try. Its effective. With a 16.25-inch barrel, the .300 Ham'r sends a Sierra 110-grain hollowpoint to 2,600 fps with 1,651 ft-lbs. I'm still waiting on the RCBS HAM'R dies from Wilson. Variety is the spice of life, do what you want, but nothing defies the laws of physics. Learn how your comment data is processed. Me being me, I put together my own HAMR from Wilson Combat brand parts, including barrel and handguard rail. An AR that matches its terminal performance might just be the perfect marriage of cartridge and rifle. HAMR cases are 0.040-inches longer than the WT and a whopping 0.260 longer than Blackout. Start load: 25.0gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK I joke, somewhat. Mule Deer in the Midwest. Get the same gun made by Colt or Smith&Wesson and pay 1/2 the price. Id leave it, as well as my AKs or my AR-15s, at home on any elk hunt anywhere. And if you are a fan of the 30 cal. Simple swap. There are also just no trade-offs I can name keeping a straight face. In this instance the trigger is a Wilson Combat Tactical Trigger Unit (TTU) listed at 4 pounds. Magazine Capacity: 5/10/20/30 Rounds While the suppressor muffled the report, the rest of the pigs immediately ran for the nearest brush due to hearing the rifles action cycling. Its brass , you throw away the powder, primer & bullet to use brass again! I moved slowly and as quietly to the blind as possible, guessing the fighting boars were probably not more than 150 yards away in the thick brush. Now I need to find some places locally to pig hunt. Max load: 24.8gr H CFEBLK #A300HMR-150-HC, Loading data from the Wilson Combat Website: Like many AR triggers, it has a two-stage pull, but the take-up is very light and short, and the trigger on the test rifle broke extremely crisply at an average of 3 pounds, 11 ounces as measured with a Timney trigger scale. I run a suppressed 24 6.5 Grendel for longer range nighttime pig fun. At this point in our story, I will admit that I was not overly impressed by the first Wilson Combat AR-15 I saw. While muzzle velocity in the .300 HAMR was about 200 fps slower than the reduced loads Ive used in the .308, the 125-grain AccuBond has a relatively high ballistic coefficient for a light .30-caliber bullet, so it retains downrange velocity very well. Low recoil and cheap to shoot. Wilson Combat's Tactical Hunter Rifle - Performance. Before delving deeper, it should be noted that Bill Wilson is a pig-huntin fool, so he had plenty of experience to help design the new cartridge. Also, Wilson Combat has recently come out with their own "multi-caliber" magazines that work with "5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition.". My CFE BLK powder came in from PV this week. Style and Appearance * * * * * Hell, Ive been paying them for about 15 years now. Probably a 6mm ARC one day. So both rounds printed multiple five-round groups under 1, I just cant verify how far under 1 at this time. The Ranger profiled barrel is VERY lite at 1lbs 8-5/8oz. Mag. Ive seen an elk go down to a .45ACP. is .44 mag suitable for elk ? Seems to me that if you are an American you have a social duty to own an M4 Carbine type rifle for militia use For interested readers, kinetic energy at 250 yards is right around 1,000 foot-pounds, which is generally considered plenty for game like pigs and deer. Even uppers alone are $1200+. 300 Blackout magazines work perfectly. I can6 find any reason to change from my 6.5 grendel,which is also more suitable as a long range option. This not only makes practice very pleasant, but it allows much faster repeat shots if somebody runs into a bunch of pigs. To find the answer, the key is to know what you want to do with your AR-15. After just a few shots, the epiphany came down. I see any of these cartridges (6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 300 Hamr) as capable of killing CXP2 game out to 300 yards. 300 HAM'R vs 6.8 vs .308 Wilson has developed the 300 HAMR for shooting supersonic loads in an AR-15 sized platform. Both will do an excellent job of doing what they were designed for. This video is for educational purposes and discussion only. I just finished putting my 300 Ham'R SBR upper together and making some brass. What is 300 HAM'R? Walt Krafft. I see that, availability of 300 BLK mags, availability of cheap 5.56mm brass to reload, and using the standard 5.56mm bolt all to be advantages over the Grendel. When the 300 Hamr was first announced, I assumed it was on the same AR-12 proprietary frame as the 458 Hamr. I just found out about this caliber and am about to take the plunge getting geared up for it. But what about on game (and not just thin skinned deer)? Looking for the ultimate 30cal super sonic in AR15. Grendel will have better range and lighter recoil out of the same barrel length. Wilson Combat has a line of ARs chambered in the new 300 Hamr, with a variety of different features and furniture. DZ, very interesting information. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Because it fires a different diameter bullet. She aint purdy but theres a reason I like my H&R Pardner. The .300 HAMR is extremely accurate because the twist rate is optimized to work with a set bullet length and velocity. How would this compare to, say, a .224 Valkyrie necked up to .308? In my AR, not really. A major online retailer lists 58 loads for the .300 Blackout and the only thing they sell for the .300 HAMR is unprimed brass and dies. Short course: in its performance, 300 HAMR is a significantly ramped-up .300 Blackout. In a far more polite way, he replied, Duh, suggesting I read the background information. He then pushed rounds from 110gr to 150gr through a 1:15 twist barrel. .30-30 works for a lot of jobs. But is that enough for yet another cartridge? Black Hills Ammunition in South Dakota plans to offer ammunition in early 2019. muzzle-energy increase. (Hornady InterLocks Ive recovered from big game have retained an average of about half their weight, give or take 10 percent.). The Bill Wilson Ranch rifle is sold as Bill carries it, and as I hunted with it, including the optics and rings. .44 mag is more powerful than .45 colt. of energy. 30-30 is effective at short range hunting mostly because of the bullets it uses, which are medium weight for caliber bullets, of very light construction, and most importantly of blunt shape. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. He started working on the hog population at his ranch and in the process tried every AR-15 cartridge he could find, including the .300 Blackout. As I was not the only incredulous writer on hand to review the new chambering and the guns that fire it, Bill offered an impromptu demonstration. To rent one for the range costs 2x the usual cost of renting any other gun. As was already mentioned earlier, it's pretty hard to best 300BLK in sub 10" barrels. I love this round! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It is simply a more efficient cartridge. Yours isnt magically more powerful. i guess ill just run down to the local gun store and grab some 30 apache ammo . Info on the scope mount on the top picture? This should not have been totally surprising, as Europes truly wild boars (Sus scrofa, the ancestor of domestic pigs) live as far north as southern Finland, Norway and Sweden. Start load: 25.0gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK The .300 HAM'R has a 300 fps velocity and 400 ft-lbs. bolt face. WC 300 HAMR case Thats a real difference. Velocity range 2500 2600FPS, Sierra 125gr SBT PH #2120, 2.245 OAL of energy. Remington, in association with Advanced Armament Association, tweaked a wildcat cartridge known as the .300 Whisper, changed the name to .300 Blackout, and the shooting world went crazy for it. Simple swap. The .300 HAM'R will do everything the .30-30 Winchester will do and more, but from an AR-15 platform; and in the Wilson Combat Tactical Hunter, it weighs less, shoots better and holds a lot more ammunition than any .30-30 lever-action rifle ever made. Any help would be appreciated reading the Hodgon code: I built one when WC first started selling barrels to replace the kids 300bk hunting gun. Im good with that. He had determined Barnes TSX bullets designed for the 6.8 were most effective on pigs, especially big boars, and 110-grain TSXs worked very well on the sizeable black-and-white boar I shot that. A simple barrel swap will put you into a select group of demanding riflemen. 125gr Sierra FNHP #2020 In fact, as far as the AR-15 is concerned, it might be the best big game hunting/tactical cartridge currently available. Wilson had previously introduced his .458 HAMR cartridge for AR-10s a cartridge somewhat more powerful than the .458 SOCOM and had trademarked the name. The 300 Blackout is designed to be subsonic. Velocity range 2450 2500FPS, Speer 130gr FPHC #2007, 2.175 OAL Is the case wider? Theyve already sold a lot more than 20. All I did to prep the brass was to graphite lube and run a mandrel through it, then prime & charge it. The Shaw upper and a Lancer mag loaded with the 135gr FTX projectile. But the claim was that it was equal to true modern .30-30 ballistics. Im still wrapping my head around real mountain elk hunting with an AR-15. Please read the entire post below before replying. (Wilson offers over 20 different chamberings for its AR-platform guns). I have bolt action in 6.8 with a 2.4 mag box so it does make a difference. No animal Ive shot with the 300 HAMR has needed a follow up shot. Although Ive found Wilson Combats guns to be worth every penny, they do cost more than a few pennies. Its true though. People prefer to hunt with them because they are accurate, reliable, and highly modular. It's been about 3 years since I've had to load .300BLK or 5.56 (divorce, move, surgeries so I didn't shoot as much over this time frame). Bill says its been dropping Arkansas wild hogs like bad habits. Factory 6.8 ammo is fine. Both the 308 and 300 have good kicks as the 300 and the 308 can boast of a force at least 20ft.lbs. I had barely gotten into the blind and hadnt even closed the door behind me before the pigs I heard in the woods came out, pushing at and racing each other to get to the deer feeder. I read your whole post. There are eight loads of 300 Hamr ammunition currently available from Wilson Combat, and more will soon be offered by HSM ammunition. While both cartridges can be used in either type of rifle, they are not interchangeable.
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