Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. Italian date stamps. 0000011515 00000 n It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. I have a .50 cal rifle, nobody can tell me anything about this rifle. Very nicely finished. Unfired. Pit Bull Tex In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. 0000039738 00000 n "When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty" Thomas Jefferson, http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf, ORANGE COUNTY REGULATORS,UP THE CREEK GANG ,LIFE MEMBER OF JACKSON HOLE REGULATORS,DOOLEY GANG,PRAYER POSSE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Wild Bunch Rules Committee, Chisum Cowboys, NRA Life member; Eagle Scout, Circle K Regulators, DbarD Wranglers, Boot Hill Regulators,Matamoros Mavericks. ITALY". The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. Without photographs of all of the marks on the pistol it is difficult to identify - see my reply above. On a visit to the Uberti factory I saw an example of an aged Colt 1860 Army revolver and had it not been for the Italian marks it could very easily have passed as an original. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream It was a redesign of the Army's Allin Trapdoor rifle. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. They also did a Colt 1855 revolving rifle. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Looks like if they were they would have had to do the entire gun, there are no deep gouges or deep file marks anywhere other than it looking worn. H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. Pietta serial number Question | The Muzzleloading Forum This mark was also introduced in 1950. All the .44s (including the Phantoms) were in the range of 75918 to 75954 and all the .22s (except 75255) were in the range of 75955 to 75985. I hope it's at least a little bit of a lead." and another from oour friend Prarie Dawg: All the controls worked smoothly, and our range session was most pleasant. The first proof mark, which appears on all weapons produced in Italy since 1950, is a star within a wavy edged circle (I have seen this described as lands and grooves of rifling) above a crest in a shield. See Attachment 5. Because I am an Amateur Historian, I carry for Self-Defense, one of three identical five and a half inch barreled, Remington 1858's, in a shoulder holster. We did note the edges of just about everything the front gate system, the edges of the magazine cut along the bottom of the rifle, etc. check out the. Length of pull - 13 1/8" (to center of buttplate) Approx. I copied this form the CAS City forum. Springfield Trapdoor Rifle | Uberti USA Replica Rifles and Revolvers {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream Model: . It will come as no surprise then to find that the Italian Proof House is also in the valley. Any thought on the origin of this piece? Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. Thanks for the info Gaz. 12) Pedersoli sometimes stamp their name on the inside of the lock. Remingtons New Model Army revolver is also a favourite and we have seen single and double action Starr pistols and lately a Whitney Navy revolver. There is no Roman numerals on this 1851. Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. Whilst the makers marks are there principally for advertising and recognition, the proof marks and serial number are obligatory and will always take the same form. We tested mainly with PMC cowboy-type ammo, which is a mild load with a hard lead bullet. These guns began production in 1958 to be ready for the Centennial of the Civil War. Uberti/Colt Prototype Single Action Revolvers | Colt Forum Faithful Rendition. 13) Were it not for the proof marks this Uberti could easily be passed off as an original Colt. Cherry's Fine Guns Home Page Commemorative Firearms, https://www.colt.com/Customer-Services/Archive-Services, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel. I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. A copy of a telex communication dated September 9, 1986 from Colt Firearms to Aldo Uberti & Co. ordering 65 firearms (five Phanton .44 Mag and 60 SA firearms in .22 and .44 Mag in 4 , 5 and 7 inch barrel lengths). 22 HORNET". I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. 0000009592 00000 n That's your build date. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. Uberti's first production gun was a Colt 1851 in 1959 so the date code would have been "XV". To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year Click to join here. This is the black powder mark and will be found only on black powder weapons. I have often heard it said, more than once by myself, that the markings on these guns could be a little more subtle, especially in the case of an attractive looking piece such as the Uberti Remington New Model army in charcoal blue and case hardened finish. There were no failures to feed, fire, or eject. The letter is signed by Maria Laura Uberti of Uberti USA, Inc. and states that these revolvers were made for Colt Firearms as prototypes by my father Aldo Uberti. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. 1851 Navy Gregorelli and Uberti | The Muzzleloading Forum 1860 HENRY and the bottom tang held A. Overall Condition:The pistol retains about 95% of its metal finish. Same serial # is under grips on frame as on bottom of barrel. There were a good many very small "family shops" in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy . ", http://www.oldwestguns.ca/index.php?cts&object=175, http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/4fingermick/, http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf, Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to UBERTI ITALY and the serial number. 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Great find and it's worth preserving this very collectible piece. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. As a result, the NRA is forced to restrict the sending of certain materials and information into California. ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E 0000008724 00000 n http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. These letters will sometimes be found in a circle. The action proof marks were under the action just behind the loading platform. this ? (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/*noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 These revolvers are extremely collectible. Like the other rifle, the back edge of the Ubertis chamber had sharp corners, though no burrs, and a bit of time with a scraper there should answer most loading questions. Thats not enough recommendation for us to invest in the Henry Original, so we began looking for a similarly styled levergun and found the Uberti version of 1860 Henry for a lot less money. 8) A variation of the DGG stamping on Armi San Paulo or early Euroarms products. 0000062843 00000 n I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Uberti M1871 .357 Magnum Single-Shot 9.5 Rolling Block Pistol MFD 1980 I have always wanted one of my own so about 12 years ago I purchased a Uberti 1860 Henry and absolutely loved it! I'm looking for information on what models of revolvers were made by Palmetto Arms. In October 2016, I spotted another Uberti/Colt .44 Magnum on the Guns International web site (, No comments permitted but if you like Colt revolvers take a look. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. I have a black powder 6 shot revolver with no serial numbers, proof marks or name of manufacturer or importer. Our impression was that this is how the 1860 Henry is supposed to look. The recently introduced line of firearms from Palmetto Arms is marked with the company logo of a palm tree within a circle, sometimes followed by the name, PALMETTO. 0000050889 00000 n 0000007642 00000 n Happy New Year! Only flaw I noticed is the screw securing the wedge is a bit off center to the left. The website has it right at 13. Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. Its not as fast to reload as, say, a Winchester 1873, but it does hold lots of ammo. This includes not only information about their purchase and use, but also the promotion of firearm safety and training. Stock Configuration & Condition/ Grip:The stocks are two-piece smooth wood featuring a forend and pistol grip. There were no other markings on the rifle. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. Uberti USA Quality Firearm Replicas | Uberti USA Replica Rifles and A little wear from use will fix that, or these could be deburred carefully by the owner. We dont think thats necessary, however it looked mighty nice. I have 2 revolvers one 36 the other 31 cal. . First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver On butt frame stamped 4809 (serial number?) Delivery of item will be in 3 - 6 business days to Continental USA. The Italian proof house has a book out called "100 anni di prove"/"100 years of proof" that shows this mark as belonging to a Sarezzo company called "Fusav di Bini & Baronio", founded Oct. 13, 1977, but I've got no other info on them. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. They were produced by Gregorelli and Uberti. The design was sold to the US Government, but it was never adopted for use by the military despite being a mechanically sound firearm. Model:Replica Remington Rolling Block Pistol, Year of Manufacture:1975, Italian date code AA, Action Type:Single-Shot Rolling-Block style Pistol with Extractor. According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. Navy Arms Uberti replica Rolling Block .22 Hornet 9.5 Single-Shot Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. This restriction is made under protest, but we have to do this to comply with Californias infringement on the freedoms of speech and association of the NRA and our members, supporters, and the general public. 0000050678 00000 n (The word Phanton was actually spelled that way on the order.) The era of reproduction Western firearms began in the early 1950s when Val Forgett, of the American Navy Arms company, visited this area of Italy in search of a manufacturer who could make a copy of the Colt 1851 Navy revolver. Uberti makes five versions of this rifle. The right side of the frame is marked . 0000038657 00000 n If you can send some pics of the guns and close ups of the marks to the magazine they should forward them to me and I may be able to help. I find the Uberti's closer to the originals , and the new CNC forged frames appeal to my idea of greater strength & closer tolerances. Pages, photographs and artwork from this site are the sole property of River Junction Trade Co. LLC, and may not be used or reproduced in whole or in part without written permission. See Attachment 4. Make: Uberti. These codes go back to 1954, starting with Roman numeral, "X" (ten) and increasing by one each year so, 1955 = XI, 1956 = XII. Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took . Pedersoli have changed their logo a couple of times since the late 1950s but for the last forty or so years it has remained the same. were all sharp enough to cut the hands. We were extremely gratified to see a company making such a high-grade version of the old Henry, never mind where in the world its made. On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was "PATENT. Could it be one of those? Code numbers, catalog numbers, model names, calibers and barrel lengths were detailed. During the 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. For all practical purposes, the import of Italian replica cartridge sixguns started in 1962. 0000005921 00000 n I can't find it through their pictures. 0000001537 00000 n The right side of the octagonal chamber is marked "CAL. The lever springs out of a Uberti 73 are the same as the ones one of this 22.I am thinking it is a Uberti but me thinking is not always a good thing. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Hb``a``=P @1630i`@GDTVs(R {g i 23>`.0,p?PA! 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Our sample Uberti Yellow Boy rifle was very well made and finished. 35 45 The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. weight - 7.4 pounds (Carbine), 8.2 pounds (Sporting Rifle) 2006 MSRP - $900. Derek Landers, I have one single shot black powder handgun, percussion, brass frame steel barrel. Forged Steel Frame Colts & Remingtons from Uberti - The Firing Line Heres what we found. 0000013676 00000 n )9/q3YgYHH}c. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk Reaction score. 0000105108 00000 n 0000003341 00000 n The barrel and cylinder are the usual Uberti black rather than the blue of the originals and the finish is to a high standard, indicating good polishing before the finish was applied. JavaScript is disabled. 14) A strange mark often found on Italian black powder arms! Uberti identification | The Firearms Forum While the action was not quite so glossy as the Henry version, it still reflected much like a mirror and was, like the barrel flats, dead flat. 0000007663 00000 n As a young boy I had the privilege of hunting rabbits with my great grandfathers Henry rifle that belonged to his father and now belonged gs to my Uncle. 0000001770 00000 n A. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. The proof house marks and manufacturing code are stamped elsewhere on the gun. Uberti offers versions of all three Colt Dragoon revolvers in their line-up and the one we have here is a standard civilian Second model. I have a .44 cal B/P pistol with an logo of s inside a hexagon inside a circle. 0000028135 00000 n Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action, Sturm, Ruger Rolls Out Significant New Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles, Ruger American Long-Range Target (LRT) 8378 22 LR. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. I was born there LO these many years ago, but in 1977 I came to the United States, and have enjoyed FREEDOMS such as I never dreamed of as a British SUBJSCT! No Date code On my Uberti - The Firing Line Forums Recoil was not an issue. 0000007017 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. But when you close the lever to the firing position, that round is not brought up into battery. A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. These are very scarce and near impossible to find in such fine original condition. If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. We cant knock the rifle for that, however, because it all looked clean and crisp with those sharp edges. 0000002052 00000 n The bluing was authentic looking. The cylinderis marked 55 and the Serial No. Our Team Said: We thought the Uberti 1860 Henry was as good a rifle as any weve tested, modern or otherwise. The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". Where can I find them.Got a 22 cal I would like to find out about.1866,from Navy Arms no name or modle. Italian proof mark is rather straight forward, normally one . i Have a black powder pistol with the star circle over PN with AC in a square next to it and the crossed rifles with the star circle over it and it has 2115 R a P over an R and FTE Italy on the butt. Remingtons bullet had a slight shoulder, which was part of the problem. While the stock finish was mighty hard, it had none of the milkiness that Henrys rifle had. Thank you. Deep blued 6 side 7.5" barrel, case hardened loading rod and hammer. 0000105361 00000 n it is scratched badly with sand paper in a horrible restore. By maybe I can get a little more info. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof ITALY. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . 0000003864 00000 n Gun Review: The 1858 Remington Revolver :: Guns.com 0000051711 00000 n stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. 5) The palm tree logo of Palmetto Arms. Stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG also not clear. There is some pitting towards the muzzle end of the bore. The chart will enable you to determine the date your gun was proved. The above manufacturers turn out tens of thousands of firearms each year and most, if not all, of these weapons are copies of those used and made in nineteenth century America. The hammer was blued, but the loading lever was case hardened. The right side of the chamber is marked "CAL. Nit mine but it is just like this one in the link below. 0000038284 00000 n Also included is the origianal cardboard wood grain box and waxed wrapping paper. Be sure to match the rifles caliber to that of your handguns as you ride off into the sunset to your next shooting match, just as they did in the Old West. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B 0000001485 00000 n California recently rushed through legislation making it unlawful to communicate to those under 18 about broad categories of firearms, parts, and accessories. 0000008415 00000 n 0000057470 00000 n 0000006802 00000 n Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle.
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