Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? False. I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Free Patricia Rorrer Lehigh Valley: Patricia Rorrer Still A Convenient Suspect? 1994 double-murder case returns to Lehigh County Court - lehighvalleylive But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Chris and Fatima investigate the case of Patricia Rorrer, who is in prison for brutally murdering her former boyfriend's wife and baby out of spite; her lawyers claim that she was . DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. Look into it. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Some people are just monsters. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. The Murders of Joann and Alex Katrinak [Unresolved Crime] - Reddit He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. The state police dropped him as a suspect. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. But Patricia had moved from Pennsylvania years ago, and she'd started her own family in North Carolina. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. This is all BS.She did it. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Create a free website or blog at . I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. It makes me sick. She definitely did it. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Had there been a switch? The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Jealousy was the motive. . How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Rather, Im conservative when it comes to potential disagreement with the jury: I wasnt there to see/hear evidence and to declare theyre wrong! And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Am I missing something? You are absolutely right. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. You seem to have a fragile ego. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? How is it that these women are paroled? New state, new man. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know? Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Most damning of all the evidence is the hair which was DNA matched to Rorrer which was instrumental in her conviction. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? And Patricia did live in another state. But none of those charges ever stuck. Ep 204 - Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope TV-MA | 52 MINS | 2020 Patty Rorrer is convicted of the kidnapping and murder of her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son, but "Wrong Man" investigators discover that the case is not so clear cut. SHAME ON THEM. Nobody said bodies were intact. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. I would very much be interested in any comment you can offer in response to my input here. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Thats my life.. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Patricia is a evil monster. They really need to set her free and open the case and look at the husband. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Nailed? Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Search it out and check for yourself. Rorrer v. Nicholas, Civil Action 19-cv-01398-GEKP - Casetext Flaw in reasoning. The victims vanished on December 15. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Its barely visible in the picture. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. September 2020 - Forensic Files Now She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. I hope it was only sloppiness of language choice, I refer to your comment of December 22, 2020 at 1:04 pm in which you state, I quote.Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty.. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. How would an intruder find it? But I suppose you havent a clue about that. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. This is the most ridiculous take ever! I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? How so? The "Wrong Man" team explores whether Vonda may have been wrongfully convicted. Animals would have for sure. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Especially mice! Theres speculation and theres lies period. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Answer 1 of 2: We are looking to get the ferry over to Helsinki from Tallin on 27th Dec 2020, so trying to establish if best to get an early (7am) ferry or a slightly later one depending on what time the shops/sight seeing attractions will be open - can anyone. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. After a successful first season, Starz has announced that Wrong Man season 2 will premiere on Sunday, Feb. 9 at 9:45 p.m. LONGTIME SUSPECT CHARGED IN MURDERS\ - Greensboro News and Record 2. This article is little more than fiction. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. She took out the woman who replaced her. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. I hope she rots in hell. Incriminating words. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Patricia Rorrer Brutal Killing of Joanne Katrinak & Baby - FFF If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Both were deceased. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Required fields are marked *. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Search is on. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Its nine minutes into the video. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Great catch. February 29, 2020. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? But I suppose you havent a clue about that. She seemed like quite an unlikely suspect - at least at first. 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. Episode Info. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. He was happy. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. And NOBODY saw her at all? Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Wow. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. What definition? Her non-serious but potentially fatal (proximity to artery) injury could have been a half-hearted suicide attempt if not intentional other-incriminating. No show. Claps! Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Just one example. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Youll have to make do with what you see here. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? You say by definition! Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Where is Patricia Rorrer Now? - The Cinemaholic In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Free Patricia Rorrer - Facebook Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office.
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